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Apropos of this discussion on Charlie Stross's blog, the increase in technology that makes it possible to produce as great an amount of our society's material needs with fewer workers can be dealt with by:
1) Increasing the material needs of people (whether by planned obsolescence, fashion, or just a changed idea of what's necessary for a decent life)
2) Reducing the number of people employed
3) Reducing the number of hours each employed person works
4) Employing more people to produce nonmaterial things (which include things I think are good, like research, and things I think aren't, like bureaucracy)
5) Providing more material needs of people outside our society living below our affluence level

Personally, I think we should promote the last three and deprecate the first two. You?

Date: 2011-11-16 09:17 pm (UTC)
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I'm a bit leery about some "nonmaterial" things. Bureaucracy is bad enough -- I'd sooner replace most of them with robots ASAP. (and we're just now getting to the point that this is technologically feasible)

And "National security" is worse.

Other than that though, I like how these priorities are balanced, though "number of people employed" will need new benchmarks as society shifts.

Date: 2011-11-17 03:17 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ccommack
There are many, many quality of life improvements that have not been emphasized in the last 30 years, because they don't show up in GDP statistics. The classic example is parents being home and parenting their children; a stay-at-home parent, or a part-time working parent who is home after school hours, is a huge boon for a child, but only a day care worker or a nanny is "generating economic activity". If we could raise real wages to the point where a household no longer needs 80+ hours of work to have a self-sustaining income, that would be excellent, but we've screwed the pooch on even having that as a goal, much less working towards it. Of course, the most obvious path forward on that is to increase standards of living, and therefore real wages, in countries like China and India, and hope that nothing explodes in the process and that after your done inflation stays in check...

Date: 2011-11-22 08:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] uncleamos
This list doesn't seem to include increasing salaries for CEOs, which is the MO at the moment.

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